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Da: ......... 06/07/2014 20:15:32
serio 10 x la battuta ke hai fatto x sdrammatizzare...però volevo chiedere notizie serie.....grazie...xk c'è in ballo il futuro di tanta gente sempre se saremo idonei

Da: serio 2 06/07/2014 20:17:43
stavo scherzando,anche se c'è sul serio :)
un grandissimo in bocca al lupo a tutti voi

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 21:55:13
Allora, in base all'esperienza di Mandrake 92 del forum 170, noi, risultati idonei lo scorso concorso, adesso rischiamo di prendercela in saccoccia un'altra volta? Assurdo, tutto questo sembra un incubo. Cioè, per vincere un concorso che cosa dobbiamo fare? La scorsa volta ho fatto 9.750 ai quiz e con 0.800 d'incremento sono rimasto fuori dai vfp4 per alcune decine di posti. Adesso con 10.000 ai quiz rischio, come Mandrake 92, di essere tagliato fuori nuovamente? Anche se dovrò fare ancora le visite, inizio ad avere forti dubbi su tutto.

Da: VV 06/07/2014 22:09:30
niente è dovuto...Ogni concorso è a sè,anche l'idoneità che si conquista....conosco gente non idonea dopo un anno..e poi ho appena letto che è stato rimandato non scartato

Da: Calo91 06/07/2014 22:34:39
Mallone ke vuoi dire non sai se ci rientri con 10??se aumentano i posti tutti prendono.

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 22:38:29
Non posso darti torto, questo è sicuro, ma mettetevi nei nostri panni. Poi sarà anche rivedibile a settembre, ma comunque resta una bella rottura di scatole con il dubbio di non rientrare nei giochi. Poi, la cosa più importante, ma uno cambia la personalità da un anno all'altro? Tutto sembra sprofondare nel paradossale, nel ridicolo...

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Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 22:40:02
Volevo rispondere a VV.

Da: VV 06/07/2014 22:43:20
non sono laureato in psicologia,non ho master però l'idoneità ha una durata mallone....si la personalità può cambiare di giorno in giorno non di anno in anno....poi fosse per me assumerei tutti e 606 domani..però è cosi che funziona...è la situazione attuale che è ridicola 208 posti anzi 138 e ne mancano 8000...ma andassero tutti.....

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 22:53:20
X VV. Non sono d'accordo con te. La personalità di ognuno è unica e non varia da un momento all'altro. E' come se dicessi che uno con la pelle nera domani potrebbe diventare con la pelle bianca di punto e in bianco. Dico questo altrimenti ogni poliziotto, carabiniere, finanziere dovrebbe essere sottoposto periodicamente a visita psichiatrica per verificare se mantiene lo standard psichiatrico minimo richiesto? Effettivamente a volte potrebbe sembrare vero quello che tu sostieni, ma riguarda solo pochi casi.

Da: Naingollan 06/07/2014 22:54:48
Quante persone avranno 10.600?rispondete tutti vi ringrazio

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 22:55:01
Ah. Anche io non sono uno psicologo.

Da: VV 06/07/2014 22:58:47
beh certo che varia.Ci sono teorie di gente che è in là con gli studi sulla psicodiagnostica che indubbiamente sostengono quello che dico io...anzi sono io a sostenere quello che dicono loro da umile lettore di un libro ai tempi delle superiori sulla materia....Poi lo psichiatra non valuta solo la personalità ma tante altre sfere..Ora andrebbe chiesto al Ministero qualcosa in merito sui parametri e gli standard di valutazione,ma stai certo che ci sono tante cose e lo psichiatra non si limita solo a questo...ma stiamo parlando del nulla è stato solo rimandato..e comunque ciò non toglie come dicevo che nulla è dovuto...non vuol dire proprio nulla essere idoneo l'anno precedente...

Da: VV 06/07/2014 23:03:14
si discute,nessuno è uno psicologo,uno psichiatra o un perito qui.Meritiamo tutti e 600 di vincere anche se devono valutarci giustamente per bene

Da: .............................. 06/07/2014 23:03:16
avete mai sentito parlare di doppia personalità????...nn c'entra niente con quello di mandrake ci mankerebbe pure e gli auguro tt il bene ma cm si fa a dire che non può cambiare la nostra personalità?????

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 23:06:44
Non voglio mettere in dubbio la tua sapienza. Ma, ripeto, allora sulla base di quello che tu dici, parlando di psiche, periodicamente tutte e dico tutte le persone che rivestono nella vita degli incarichi particolari periodicamente dovrebbero essere sottoposti a visita... non ti sembra un po esagerato?

Da: VV 06/07/2014 23:11:16
non ironizzare però prendendomi in giro,cosa che odio.Sto discutendo con te di quello che gente più ferrata di me e di te in materia hanno detto e dimostrato.L'altro ragazzo giustamente che parla pure di doppia personalità...altra sfumatura.Ma non prendermi per il culo.Grazie...

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 23:16:10
Scusa non volevo offendere nessuno. Non ho bisogno di gente più ferrata per fare un ragionamento in autonomia. Se uno ha la doppia personalità avrebbero dovuta individuarla lo scorso anno non ti pare? E ripeto non voglio prendere per il culo nessuno. Ma Ti prego non pensare che anche io sia un fesso.

Da: VV 06/07/2014 23:23:01
e chi pensa tu sia fesso?Te la stai cantando e suonando da solo..Loro sono deputati e stipendiati per valutare noi,come gli educatori e gli assistenti sociali valutano nel loro campo,con le sfumature nei tribunali,nei plessi circondiariali e in tutte le altre zone dove operano..nell'ordinamento del Corpo prevede che non ci sia questa valutazione periodica della personalità per gli appartenenti...e non c'è in alcuna amministrazione...prevede invece che nel concorso allievo agente,ci sia,ed è il minimo..Sarei comunque pure d'accordo con te in linea teorica sull'inserire questo colloquio

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 23:32:29
Ripeto si stava parlando di variazione di personalità, che secondo me uno psichiatra esperto sa prontamente individuare e non è possibile che una persona venga valutata prima idonea e poi in una seconda occasione ci mettiamo la riserva. E' lecito a questo punto avere dubbi sul Modus Operandi...

Da: VV 06/07/2014 23:37:34
che devo dirti,scrivi al ministero e fai presente questa deficienza nel modus operandi...Ce ne sarebbero tante da dire sulle prove,partendo dalla banca dati e finendo alle prove fisiche per non parlare dei criteri di attribuzioni dei titoli..Per non parlare dichi viene fatto idoneo con un evidente sovrappeso..Ma poi si fanno le 7 di domani mattina se continuiamo a parlare di tutto quello che andrebbe cambiato e usciamo dal seminato

Da: VV 06/07/2014 23:40:04
prove fisiche che inserirei ovviamente..Senza manco pensarci mezza volta.Poi vedi come la gente sgambetta..E sarebbe pure confacente a verificare l'idoneità fisica...E' un insulto al buon senso vedere gente a 20 anni gente messa in quel modo

Da: da............... 06/07/2014 23:43:00
Se il 14 luglio vi sarà il decreto per l'aumento dei posti, visto il decreto legge 101, legge D'Alia (scorrimento della graduatoria degli idonei), incorporeranno i 50 idonei del concorso 375 agenti e 300 idonei del concorso 170 agenti.

Da: VV 06/07/2014 23:46:17
certo.E con la ferma quadriennale dei vfp4 come la mettiamo?Lo fai tu un emendamento per abrogare la ferma?O prendono gli idonei direttamente e i vfp4 collocati prima rimangono nell'esercito?
Pure su questo decreto...E' l'aumento degli organici agenti e pure assistenti se non sbaglio,non l'aumento da quest'anno di 818 unità per il concorso 208...parliamo del nulla,servono i decreti attuativi del decreto legge.

Da: Mallone 06/07/2014 23:48:37
Ah, beh, se mi capitasse una cosa del genere vedrei di trovarmi indubbiamente una soluzione al problema... per via legale, ovviamente!

Da: Polpen10 07/07/2014 00:04:54
Il 14 luglio nn si discute sullo scorrimento graduatorie ma su l'aumento consistente di agenti e assistenti..si parte dai 506 certi autorizzati gia dallo stato..si proverà a ottenere qualcosa in liu..ma lasciate perdere il discorso degli idonei nn vincitori..la priorità verrà data al concorso in atti dovr sarà piu semplice gestire la gradiatoria visto ke si parlerebbe solo d aumentare i posti messi inizialmente.

Da: un 07/07/2014 00:17:47
qua confondete l'aumento della pianta organica con l'aumento posti del concorso. Mi piacerebbe pure a me. I posti sono quelli 506.E' stato detto anche da quel signore che era seduto accanto al ministro.Andate a cercare e troverete la risposta .

Da: x tutti 07/07/2014 00:20:34
i posti per il 208 sono 506 divisi molto probabilmente in 373 uomini e 93 femmine......40 tra riammissioni e fiamme azzurre^^ questa è l' unica cosa certa anche se dovremmo aspettare solo l' ufficialità!! Per i 818 secondo me se ne riparlerà a fine anno con un maxi concorso.......

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Da: un 07/07/2014 00:39:27
turn over permettendo. in base pensionamenti e turn over stabilito. Con un turn over del 55% ,non saranno mai 818 se poi sarà del 70% potrebbe capitare ,ma non perchè è aumentata la pianta organica,la carenza c'è. Anche senza questo aumento in PIANTA ORGANICA ,per il prossimo ,se non ci sono previsti altre assunzioni di altre qualifiche,con un 1000 pensionamenti e un turn over 70% ,concorso per 700 posti .Più pensionamenti + posti. Solo quelli del 170+44 è scandaloso,20% il rimanente a quelli del 2003 pure con l'aumento da 271 a 334. Vergognoso.

Da: Calo91 07/07/2014 01:01:33
Ma ke cazzo dite?? Ma ke centra il turn over se lo aumenteranno grazie ai tagli degli ispettori!!

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Da: .........	06/07/2014 20:15:32
serio 10 x la battuta ke hai fatto x sdrammatizzare...però volevo chiedere notizie serie.....grazie...xk c'è in ballo il futuro di tanta gente sempre se saremo idonei

Da: serio 2	06/07/2014 20:17:43
stavo scherzando,anche se c'è sul serio :) un grandissimo in bocca al lupo a tutti voi

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 21:55:13
Allora, in base all'esperienza di Mandrake 92 del forum 170, noi, risultati idonei lo scorso concorso, adesso rischiamo di prendercela in saccoccia un'altra volta? Assurdo, tutto questo sembra un incubo. Cioè, per vincere un concorso che cosa dobbiamo fare? La scorsa volta ho fatto 9.750 ai quiz e con 0.800 d'incremento sono rimasto fuori dai vfp4 per alcune decine di posti. Adesso con 10.000 ai quiz rischio, come Mandrake 92, di essere tagliato fuori nuovamente? Anche se dovrò fare ancora le visite, inizio ad avere forti dubbi su tutto.

Da: VV	06/07/2014 22:09:30
niente è dovuto...Ogni concorso è a sè,anche l'idoneità che si conquista....conosco gente non idonea dopo un anno..e poi ho appena letto che è stato rimandato non scartato

Da: Calo91	06/07/2014 22:34:39
Mallone ke vuoi dire non sai se ci rientri con 10??se aumentano i posti tutti prendono.

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 22:38:29
Non posso darti torto, questo è sicuro, ma mettetevi nei nostri panni. Poi sarà anche rivedibile a settembre, ma comunque resta una bella rottura di scatole con il dubbio di non rientrare nei giochi. Poi, la cosa più importante, ma uno cambia la personalità da un anno all'altro? Tutto sembra sprofondare nel paradossale, nel ridicolo...

Da: VV	06/07/2014 22:43:20
non sono laureato in psicologia,non ho master però l'idoneità ha una durata mallone....si la personalità può cambiare di giorno in giorno non di anno in anno....poi fosse per me assumerei tutti e 606 domani..però è cosi che funziona...è la situazione attuale che è ridicola 208 posti anzi 138 e ne mancano 8000...ma andassero tutti.....

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 22:53:20
X VV. Non sono d'accordo con te. La personalità di ognuno è unica e non varia da un momento all'altro. E' come se dicessi che uno con la pelle nera domani potrebbe diventare con la pelle bianca di punto e in bianco. Dico questo altrimenti ogni poliziotto, carabiniere, finanziere dovrebbe essere sottoposto periodicamente a visita psichiatrica per verificare se mantiene lo standard psichiatrico minimo richiesto? Effettivamente a volte potrebbe sembrare vero quello che tu sostieni, ma riguarda solo pochi casi.

Da: Naingollan	06/07/2014 22:54:48
Quante persone avranno 10.600?rispondete tutti vi ringrazio

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 22:55:01
Ah. Anche io non sono uno psicologo.

Da: VV	06/07/2014 22:58:47
beh certo che varia.Ci sono teorie di gente che è in là con gli studi sulla psicodiagnostica che indubbiamente sostengono quello che dico io...anzi sono io a sostenere quello che dicono loro da umile lettore di un libro ai tempi delle superiori sulla materia....Poi lo psichiatra non valuta solo la personalità ma tante altre sfere..Ora andrebbe chiesto al Ministero qualcosa in merito sui parametri e gli standard di valutazione,ma stai certo che ci sono tante cose e lo psichiatra non si limita solo a questo...ma stiamo parlando del nulla è stato solo rimandato..e comunque ciò non toglie come dicevo che nulla è dovuto...non vuol dire proprio nulla essere idoneo l'anno precedente...

Da: VV	06/07/2014 23:03:14
si discute,nessuno è uno psicologo,uno psichiatra o un perito qui.Meritiamo tutti e 600 di vincere anche se devono valutarci giustamente per bene

Da: ..............................	06/07/2014 23:03:16
avete mai sentito parlare di doppia personalità????...nn c'entra niente con quello di mandrake ci mankerebbe pure e gli auguro tt il bene ma cm si fa a dire che non può cambiare la nostra personalità?????

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 23:06:44
Non voglio mettere in dubbio la tua sapienza. Ma, ripeto, allora sulla base di quello che tu dici, parlando di psiche, periodicamente tutte e dico tutte le persone che rivestono nella vita degli incarichi particolari periodicamente dovrebbero essere sottoposti a visita... non ti sembra un po esagerato?

Da: VV	06/07/2014 23:11:16
non ironizzare però prendendomi in giro,cosa che odio.Sto discutendo con te di quello che gente più ferrata di me e di te in materia hanno detto e dimostrato.L'altro ragazzo giustamente che parla pure di doppia personalità...altra sfumatura.Ma non prendermi per il culo.Grazie...

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 23:16:10
Scusa non volevo offendere nessuno. Non ho bisogno di gente più ferrata per fare un ragionamento in autonomia. Se uno ha la doppia personalità avrebbero dovuta individuarla lo scorso anno non ti pare? E ripeto non voglio prendere per il culo nessuno. Ma Ti prego non pensare che anche io sia un fesso.

Da: VV	06/07/2014 23:23:01
e chi pensa tu sia fesso?Te la stai cantando e suonando da solo..Loro sono deputati e stipendiati per valutare noi,come gli educatori e gli assistenti sociali valutano nel loro campo,con le sfumature nei tribunali,nei plessi circondiariali e in tutte le altre zone dove operano..nell'ordinamento del Corpo prevede che non ci sia questa valutazione periodica della personalità per gli appartenenti...e non c'è in alcuna amministrazione...prevede invece che nel concorso allievo agente,ci sia,ed è il minimo..Sarei comunque pure d'accordo con te in linea teorica sull'inserire questo colloquio

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 23:32:29
Ripeto si stava parlando di variazione di personalità, che secondo me uno psichiatra esperto sa prontamente individuare e non è possibile che una persona venga valutata prima idonea e poi in una seconda occasione ci mettiamo la riserva. E' lecito a questo punto avere dubbi sul Modus Operandi...

Da: VV	06/07/2014 23:37:34
che devo dirti,scrivi al ministero e fai presente questa deficienza nel modus operandi...Ce ne sarebbero tante da dire sulle prove,partendo dalla banca dati e finendo alle prove fisiche per non parlare dei criteri di attribuzioni dei titoli..Per non parlare dichi viene fatto idoneo con un evidente sovrappeso..Ma poi si fanno le 7 di domani mattina se continuiamo a parlare di tutto quello che andrebbe cambiato e usciamo dal seminato

Da: VV	06/07/2014 23:40:04
prove fisiche che inserirei ovviamente..Senza manco pensarci mezza volta.Poi vedi come la gente sgambetta..E sarebbe pure confacente a verificare l'idoneità fisica...E' un insulto al buon senso vedere gente a 20 anni gente messa in quel modo

Da: da...............	06/07/2014 23:43:00
Se il 14 luglio vi sarà il decreto per l'aumento dei posti, visto il decreto legge 101, legge D'Alia (scorrimento della graduatoria degli idonei), incorporeranno i 50 idonei del concorso 375 agenti e 300 idonei del concorso 170 agenti.

Da: VV	06/07/2014 23:46:17
certo.E con la ferma quadriennale dei vfp4 come la mettiamo?Lo fai tu un emendamento per abrogare la ferma?O prendono gli idonei direttamente e i vfp4 collocati prima rimangono nell'esercito? Pure su questo decreto...E' l'aumento degli organici agenti e pure assistenti se non sbaglio,non l'aumento da quest'anno di 818 unità per il concorso 208...parliamo del nulla,servono i decreti attuativi del decreto legge.

Da: Mallone	06/07/2014 23:48:37
Ah, beh, se mi capitasse una cosa del genere vedrei di trovarmi indubbiamente una soluzione al problema... per via legale, ovviamente!

Da: Polpen10	07/07/2014 00:04:54
Il 14 luglio nn si discute sullo scorrimento graduatorie ma su l'aumento consistente di agenti e assistenti..si parte dai 506 certi autorizzati gia dallo stato..si proverà a ottenere qualcosa in liu..ma lasciate perdere il discorso degli idonei nn vincitori..la priorità verrà data al concorso in atti dovr sarà piu semplice gestire la gradiatoria visto ke si parlerebbe solo d aumentare i posti messi inizialmente.

Da: un	07/07/2014 00:17:47
qua confondete l'aumento della pianta organica con l'aumento posti del concorso. Mi piacerebbe pure a me. I posti sono quelli 506.E' stato detto anche da quel signore che era seduto accanto al ministro.Andate a cercare e troverete la risposta .

Da: x tutti	07/07/2014 00:20:34
i posti per il 208 sono 506 divisi molto probabilmente in 373 uomini e 93 femmine......40 tra riammissioni e fiamme azzurre^^ questa è l' unica cosa certa anche se dovremmo aspettare solo l' ufficialità!! Per i 818 secondo me se ne riparlerà a fine anno con un maxi concorso.......

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Da: un	07/07/2014 00:39:27
turn over permettendo. in base pensionamenti e turn over stabilito. Con un turn over del 55% ,non saranno mai 818 se poi sarà del 70% potrebbe capitare ,ma non perchè è aumentata la pianta organica,la carenza c'è. Anche senza questo aumento in PIANTA ORGANICA ,per il prossimo ,se non ci sono previsti altre assunzioni di altre qualifiche,con un 1000 pensionamenti e un turn over 70% ,concorso per 700 posti .Più pensionamenti + posti. Solo quelli del 170+44 è scandaloso,20% il rimanente a quelli del 2003 pure con l'aumento da 271 a 334. Vergognoso.

Da: Calo91	07/07/2014 01:01:33
Ma ke cazzo dite?? Ma ke centra il turn over se lo aumenteranno grazie ai tagli degli ispettori!!